tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3055499922775600843.post8260382585312782742..comments2024-03-23T12:28:05.901+00:00Comments on Expected Results: From Shu to HaPhilhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00281118161548464012noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3055499922775600843.post-53958382127675139662012-03-14T07:16:39.878+00:002012-03-14T07:16:39.878+00:00We can learn from actual testing, but also from te...We can learn from actual testing, but also from test design review, and from reading interesting bugs.<br />We can form work-groups to assist in all of these:<br />1. Actual testing does not always require a theoretical challenge - We can define a type of testing to practice, and each one can find how it implies in his own application.<br />2. We can set up groups aiming to define test cases for a common topic, having peer review and improving these.<br />Later we can share them, as starting point for others who need to test similar issues.<br />3. We can share interesting bugs, discuss them, what caused them, and consider how to find similar issues.<br />@halperinko - Kobi Halperinhalperinkohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02746116081985463537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3055499922775600843.post-20155543069122886332009-01-25T21:07:00.000+00:002009-01-25T21:07:00.000+00:00I used to do a lot of presentations when I worked ...I used to do a lot of presentations when I worked as a trainer, but haven't had the chance to do so for years and miss it. Sounds like you have a great opportunity for practice at your workplace.<BR/><BR/>I find I can learn a lot too from watching how really experienced presenters hone their material - I saw Lee Copeland presenting The 9 Forgettings at SIGIST last Sept, and watched the Youtube recording from Starwest in 2007. It was really fascinating to me to see how and what he'd changed in the later presentation. Just watching the one presentation wouldn't really have given me any clues, as he's such a relaxed and natural presenter it's hard to see any room for improvement - but seeing both, I could see why he'd made different choices in the later presentation, and see how they improved his delivery. I guess that also shows how much people at the top of their game are constantly refining what they do.testerabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05072642672449820640noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3055499922775600843.post-11507652712412183982009-01-21T09:38:00.000+00:002009-01-21T09:38:00.000+00:00Thanks for the input ( had to google etudes and th...Thanks for the input ( had to google etudes and then realised I did know about them )<BR/><BR/>I see from your old blog post that you've had similar craftsman thoughts<BR/>http://edge-cases.blogspot.com/2008/08/journeyman.html<BR/><BR/>Good point about the soft skills - I am getting the chance to practice some of them as the company i work for offers the chance to do a presentation at the monthly meetings we have, I'm now on my 4th and learning from every one and gaining confidence<BR/><BR/>Also a very good point about performing/composing, thats given me something to think about...Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00281118161548464012noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3055499922775600843.post-154238460510191172009-01-20T21:20:00.000+00:002009-01-20T21:20:00.000+00:00Okay, so you're thinking of a set of testing etude...Okay, so you're thinking of a set of testing etudes? <BR/><BR/>Isn't that kind of what Matt Heusser has been doing recently with his Testing Challenges? (Which I'm sorry to say I haven't managed to participate in).<BR/><BR/>Though... I would also wonder, of the myriad skills that a software tester needs in their toolbox, can all of desirable ones be put into an etude? <BR/><BR/>My guess is that people will say that soft skills can't be. (I would say rubbish: just go work in a call center for a few years, and you'll learn that when you say the same things one thousand times a day, you rapidly learn the best ways of saying them, if you're paying any attention at all. So absolutely, soft skills can be learnt by repetition, the tricky thing is in finding the people to put up with your practicing). But what about the others?<BR/><BR/>And of course, to go back to the music analogy - there's a difference between an outstanding performer, and an outstanding composer. Is that a difference that exists in the software testing arena?testerabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05072642672449820640noreply@blogger.com